HI,
Next reply (this is after my long detail tech info post from last night (PT-USA))
I updated to ver 2.66.
Program still has the display of typed letters very slowly.
So update did not resolve it.
See my previous email (not showing yet on this forum) for lots more details on my computer environment.
The slow display of letters typed does happen consistently.
Also, if it helps, the database is just about 1MB (AllMyNotes Documents.ddb = 1018KB) containing about 40 or so text based notes. That is, not much formatting perse. And no links or non-character based items.
Thanks.
typing display speed too slow
Started by: BruceTechGuy on Oct 23, 2012 2:51 AM
BruceTechGuy
Post #1 - Oct 28, 2012 3:00 AM
Re: typing display speed too slow
BruceTechGuy
Post #2 - Oct 27, 2012 10:07 AM
Re: typing display speed too slow
Additional post, just with the screen snaps of CPUZ, GPUZ, Video driver info.
Oh, cannot send the others because they are larger than 256 KB.
I will send as email attachments.
Thanks again.
Oh, cannot send the others because they are larger than 256 KB.
I will send as email attachments.
Thanks again.
BruceTechGuy
Post #3 - Oct 27, 2012 10:02 AM
Re: typing display speed too slow
Here are the details. Probably more than you ever wanted to know. ;)
The slow display of letters onto the AllMyNotes screen area is all the time. That is, it always lags.
Computer:
Sony Vaio PCV RS-530G (circa 2/2004)
Pentium 4-3192 at 3.2 GHz with HyperThreading
with 2 GB PC3200 DDR RAM
Note I regularly run system checks, both HD CheckDisk and surface, also Defrag weekly, and have run MemTest+ and all looks good there. The OS "C:" HD has 25% free space (around 30 GB or so free).
Video:
ATI Radeon 9200 (Rv280) dedicated video with 128MB DDR SDRAM, AGP 8x.
Current driver is v 8.252 from 5/3/2006
This is an updated driver from the vendor, which I installed in 11/2011.
System states it is working properly, and from all my other activities, from word processing, to email, to web browsing, to online video watching, to DVD playing, to watching downloaded videos, to all my text and graphics apps.
(First Note re. video drivers:
I did download one of the latest ATI Catalyst driver packs from ATI a while back, in the same 2011 time frame as the driver above, and installed that. But later disabled the Catalyst services, because all it did was install more background services and startup apps, all so that I could 'easily' change resolutions from the system tray and switch between monitors and monitor modes. Well, I have just one monitor, I don't change the resolution and have no need for more junk running services in the background for things I never do. So I removed those. Everything seems OK with this.)
(Second Note re. video drivers:
I had allowed one Microsoft Auto Update of a Radeon driver they "thought" I should have a long while back, the driver update was dated 2004/2005 or so, and it completely messed up my system so I could not even display anything more than 640x480 -- on my Dell 1680x1050 screen. It took me a while to back that out and I am NEVER allowing it back onto my computer no matter what Microsoft thinks is best!)
The one thing that I have done differently is to set the Control Panel Display properties to Large Display, so that I can more easily read text, on my Dell E228WFP 1680x1050 monitor.
Set to Windows Large Size 120dpi (125%) of normal size.
This is a normal Windows Display Control Panel feature, has been around for at least 10 years or so, but I have found that some vendors have not properly coded their apps, in that sometimes letter position is off in their windows. This does not seem to happen for AllMyNotes. It seems to show the positioning of everything fine.
The Display control panel, Settings shows that Hardware acceleration is ON.
And the Hardware Drivers list shows all is working as expected.
Re. CPU usage,
I have Task Manager and System Explorer running in my tray at all times, so I can see what's going on.
There are usually no CPU spikes (most of the time).
When I test by opening the AllMyNotes window, and just typing quickly the repeating string of "asdfasdf", the CPU does spike up to about 40-50%. Which I had not noticed before.
And after finishing a bunch of those, I can stop typing and watch the letters "asdfasdf..." continue to display character by character as it fills the screen from the typing buffer. Takes another 4 or 5 seconds for the letters to finish marching onto the screen display. As soon as the display has caught up and finished, at that point the CPU goes back down to 4 of 6%.
When I do the same string of quickly repeating "asdfasdf" in my other text apps, no CPU spike shows.
So for some reason, AllMyNotes is struggling with the displaying of text.
Is this by chance a Basic coded application? or some other language API which is not as efficient at interacting with display drivers?
RAM usage.
When I boot up my system, it has 45 processes running and uses about 425 MB RAM. And throughout the day, it of course gets more processes, maybe up to 50 or 60 and RAM varies, though I do not recall seeing it get over 1.5 GB. So it seems to always stay well within my 2GB physical range.
Also, the AllMyNotes exe app seems to typically take about 16,000 to 18,000 KB. So not overly large there.
The display does not flicker at all, not in any apps, and not in AllMyNotes.
It is just that the typing actual appearance of the letters onto the white space of the note area in AllMyNotes is as if in slow motion.
FYI, I have my Avira Personal Free set to disregard AllMyNotes.exe, that is, the Realtime Scanner has an Exception for AllMyNotes.exe. So that is not slowing things.
FYI, I also have WinPatrol background security process, which I have tested by exiting that program, but has no effect on AllMyNotes slow letter display speed.
Process Explorer info of AllMyNotes, to me, does not look unusual.
I took a snapshot of the Performance Graph detail tab while I was typing asdf letters quickly. You can see the CPU spikes, but then comes back down as soon as all the letters have finished their march across the screen.
I also ran the Dependency Walker on AllMyNotes, and it shows two items as missing.
These may be normal, I don't know, but here is the info:
IESHIMS.DLL
WER.DLL
Warning: At least one delay-load dependency module was not found.
Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module.
In terms of general CPU, IDLE time is usually the highest user, 80 to 97%.
Interrupts is 0%.
I am not an expert on Process Monitor, but I did run it for one session, set Filter to include AllMyNotes current PID#3180 number, cleared it, started it, Typed in my repeating string of asdfasdf and let it finish displaying, then stopped the Process Monitor capture, and saved that (both the PID 3180 only, and the All Events). It may or not be useful.
I will attach the PML of the AllMyNotes only, compressed.
(I can send the larger All events PML of same snapshot if that would help too.)
Also attached:
Compressed of screen snaps showing my various CPUZ and Video Display and ATI driver version checking.
Also attached:
A small WMV which perhaps shows how the CPU spikes while the slow display of rapidly typed letters happens. As well, the CPU spikes if I resize the AllMyNotes window or drag it briefly. Then when released, CPU drops back down.
Looks like I can only attach one file per post.
So I may have to add two more posts to get you the screen snap, and the wmv of slow type display with CPU spiking.
Hope some of this helps.
Thank you.
The slow display of letters onto the AllMyNotes screen area is all the time. That is, it always lags.
Computer:
Sony Vaio PCV RS-530G (circa 2/2004)
Pentium 4-3192 at 3.2 GHz with HyperThreading
with 2 GB PC3200 DDR RAM
Note I regularly run system checks, both HD CheckDisk and surface, also Defrag weekly, and have run MemTest+ and all looks good there. The OS "C:" HD has 25% free space (around 30 GB or so free).
Video:
ATI Radeon 9200 (Rv280) dedicated video with 128MB DDR SDRAM, AGP 8x.
Current driver is v 8.252 from 5/3/2006
This is an updated driver from the vendor, which I installed in 11/2011.
System states it is working properly, and from all my other activities, from word processing, to email, to web browsing, to online video watching, to DVD playing, to watching downloaded videos, to all my text and graphics apps.
(First Note re. video drivers:
I did download one of the latest ATI Catalyst driver packs from ATI a while back, in the same 2011 time frame as the driver above, and installed that. But later disabled the Catalyst services, because all it did was install more background services and startup apps, all so that I could 'easily' change resolutions from the system tray and switch between monitors and monitor modes. Well, I have just one monitor, I don't change the resolution and have no need for more junk running services in the background for things I never do. So I removed those. Everything seems OK with this.)
(Second Note re. video drivers:
I had allowed one Microsoft Auto Update of a Radeon driver they "thought" I should have a long while back, the driver update was dated 2004/2005 or so, and it completely messed up my system so I could not even display anything more than 640x480 -- on my Dell 1680x1050 screen. It took me a while to back that out and I am NEVER allowing it back onto my computer no matter what Microsoft thinks is best!)
The one thing that I have done differently is to set the Control Panel Display properties to Large Display, so that I can more easily read text, on my Dell E228WFP 1680x1050 monitor.
Set to Windows Large Size 120dpi (125%) of normal size.
This is a normal Windows Display Control Panel feature, has been around for at least 10 years or so, but I have found that some vendors have not properly coded their apps, in that sometimes letter position is off in their windows. This does not seem to happen for AllMyNotes. It seems to show the positioning of everything fine.
The Display control panel, Settings shows that Hardware acceleration is ON.
And the Hardware Drivers list shows all is working as expected.
Re. CPU usage,
I have Task Manager and System Explorer running in my tray at all times, so I can see what's going on.
There are usually no CPU spikes (most of the time).
When I test by opening the AllMyNotes window, and just typing quickly the repeating string of "asdfasdf", the CPU does spike up to about 40-50%. Which I had not noticed before.
And after finishing a bunch of those, I can stop typing and watch the letters "asdfasdf..." continue to display character by character as it fills the screen from the typing buffer. Takes another 4 or 5 seconds for the letters to finish marching onto the screen display. As soon as the display has caught up and finished, at that point the CPU goes back down to 4 of 6%.
When I do the same string of quickly repeating "asdfasdf" in my other text apps, no CPU spike shows.
So for some reason, AllMyNotes is struggling with the displaying of text.
Is this by chance a Basic coded application? or some other language API which is not as efficient at interacting with display drivers?
RAM usage.
When I boot up my system, it has 45 processes running and uses about 425 MB RAM. And throughout the day, it of course gets more processes, maybe up to 50 or 60 and RAM varies, though I do not recall seeing it get over 1.5 GB. So it seems to always stay well within my 2GB physical range.
Also, the AllMyNotes exe app seems to typically take about 16,000 to 18,000 KB. So not overly large there.
The display does not flicker at all, not in any apps, and not in AllMyNotes.
It is just that the typing actual appearance of the letters onto the white space of the note area in AllMyNotes is as if in slow motion.
FYI, I have my Avira Personal Free set to disregard AllMyNotes.exe, that is, the Realtime Scanner has an Exception for AllMyNotes.exe. So that is not slowing things.
FYI, I also have WinPatrol background security process, which I have tested by exiting that program, but has no effect on AllMyNotes slow letter display speed.
Process Explorer info of AllMyNotes, to me, does not look unusual.
I took a snapshot of the Performance Graph detail tab while I was typing asdf letters quickly. You can see the CPU spikes, but then comes back down as soon as all the letters have finished their march across the screen.
I also ran the Dependency Walker on AllMyNotes, and it shows two items as missing.
These may be normal, I don't know, but here is the info:
IESHIMS.DLL
WER.DLL
Warning: At least one delay-load dependency module was not found.
Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module.
In terms of general CPU, IDLE time is usually the highest user, 80 to 97%.
Interrupts is 0%.
I am not an expert on Process Monitor, but I did run it for one session, set Filter to include AllMyNotes current PID#3180 number, cleared it, started it, Typed in my repeating string of asdfasdf and let it finish displaying, then stopped the Process Monitor capture, and saved that (both the PID 3180 only, and the All Events). It may or not be useful.
I will attach the PML of the AllMyNotes only, compressed.
(I can send the larger All events PML of same snapshot if that would help too.)
Also attached:
Compressed of screen snaps showing my various CPUZ and Video Display and ATI driver version checking.
Also attached:
A small WMV which perhaps shows how the CPU spikes while the slow display of rapidly typed letters happens. As well, the CPU spikes if I resize the AllMyNotes window or drag it briefly. Then when released, CPU drops back down.
Looks like I can only attach one file per post.
So I may have to add two more posts to get you the screen snap, and the wmv of slow type display with CPU spiking.
Hope some of this helps.
Thank you.
BruceTechGuy
Post #4 - Oct 27, 2012 9:44 AM
Re: typing display speed too slow
Thanks for the reply.
And some good thoughts. I will reply.
And some good thoughts. I will reply.
vlad
Post #5 - Oct 23, 2012 12:40 PM
Re: typing display speed too slow
And another question - is it happening all the time, or only occasionally?
vlad
Post #6 - Oct 23, 2012 12:34 PM
Re: typing display speed too slow
Thank you for writing. This is not normal. On you configuration you should be able to achieve totally flicker-free, smooth typing experience. Though your report is the first of this kind, so likely it's specific to your configuration.
I presume AllMyNotes is using some graphical routine which is not completely accelerated by your video card driver. Possibly your video card driver is not properly configured (disabled acceleration), or, not installed at all. Therefore I strongly recommend to:
1. Download and install the latest video card driver.
2. Download and install the most recent AllMyNotes version 2.66, or 3.03 beta.
3. Make sure to enable video card acceleration at maximum level by going to Windows Start menu -> Control Panel -> Double-click on "Display" -> Settings tab -> Advanced -> Troubleshoot tab -> Move the Hardware Acceleration slider to Full. Click Apply and then click OK to accept the new settings and close the window. Restart Windows.
Hope this helps. If not, please tell me your screen resolution, video card name/manufacturer, and send me a screenshot of your edit window when it gets slow (possibly the reason is in text you are typing, or in screen resolution). Also please take a look as CPU usage when you are not typing, perhaps some other app is utilizing it too hard?
I presume AllMyNotes is using some graphical routine which is not completely accelerated by your video card driver. Possibly your video card driver is not properly configured (disabled acceleration), or, not installed at all. Therefore I strongly recommend to:
1. Download and install the latest video card driver.
2. Download and install the most recent AllMyNotes version 2.66, or 3.03 beta.
3. Make sure to enable video card acceleration at maximum level by going to Windows Start menu -> Control Panel -> Double-click on "Display" -> Settings tab -> Advanced -> Troubleshoot tab -> Move the Hardware Acceleration slider to Full. Click Apply and then click OK to accept the new settings and close the window. Restart Windows.
Hope this helps. If not, please tell me your screen resolution, video card name/manufacturer, and send me a screenshot of your edit window when it gets slow (possibly the reason is in text you are typing, or in screen resolution). Also please take a look as CPU usage when you are not typing, perhaps some other app is utilizing it too hard?
BruceTechGuy
Post #7 - Oct 23, 2012 2:51 AM
typing display speed too slow
Hello,
I am using AllMyNotes v2.63 on Windows XP Pro SP3 (2 GB RAM, P4 3.2GHz).
I am finding that the typing display speed is very slow.
I am frequently out-typing the display of letters on the screen.
This is bad enough, but it causes more typos for me.
And when I try to backspace to correct a typo error or two, it gets worse, because the backspacing is amazingly, agonizingly slow, causing me to try to guess when I am at the right letter -- making more type errors.
Notes: I have the Windows Keyboard typamatic rate set to highest, and delay before repeat set to shortest.
Note that no other text edit program on my computer suffers this slowness. I use a variety and can confirm that all the following are pretty much instantaneous (that is, WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY faster than AllMyNotes): MS Word 2003, MS Notepad, Metapad, Notepad++, MS Excel (text entry in cells), NFOPad, EditPad Lite, and pretty much all text entry screens within my web browser are also instant responding -- including this Forum Posting screen.
I have hesitated to update to anything newer than 2.63 because of the alleged 'feature' of 2.64 enforcing a random theme change on every launch.
(That is a whole other topic, where I am trying to have a stable, no-glitter, no-glowing note taking application - which I am hoping will be AllMyNotes... )
Anything I can do to speed up the typing rate inside AllMyNotes?
Thank you.
I am using AllMyNotes v2.63 on Windows XP Pro SP3 (2 GB RAM, P4 3.2GHz).
I am finding that the typing display speed is very slow.
I am frequently out-typing the display of letters on the screen.
This is bad enough, but it causes more typos for me.
And when I try to backspace to correct a typo error or two, it gets worse, because the backspacing is amazingly, agonizingly slow, causing me to try to guess when I am at the right letter -- making more type errors.
Notes: I have the Windows Keyboard typamatic rate set to highest, and delay before repeat set to shortest.
Note that no other text edit program on my computer suffers this slowness. I use a variety and can confirm that all the following are pretty much instantaneous (that is, WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY faster than AllMyNotes): MS Word 2003, MS Notepad, Metapad, Notepad++, MS Excel (text entry in cells), NFOPad, EditPad Lite, and pretty much all text entry screens within my web browser are also instant responding -- including this Forum Posting screen.
I have hesitated to update to anything newer than 2.63 because of the alleged 'feature' of 2.64 enforcing a random theme change on every launch.
(That is a whole other topic, where I am trying to have a stable, no-glitter, no-glowing note taking application - which I am hoping will be AllMyNotes... )
Anything I can do to speed up the typing rate inside AllMyNotes?
Thank you.
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